Playlouder - Music is the Network

What!? You can't edit here? Oh, way to go, Playlouder. You really redefine the word buzzkill.

it's a chat

it's not normal to be able to edit a conversation

Ha ha ha! It is her!

It's her!

It just gets better and better with each listen this album. I'm starting to think that this Burial chap could be the best person to work in electronic dance music since Richard James was any good.

No, it's shit. And conversations should be edited. That's why the U.N. exist. That's why you cappuccino-sipping freaks should at least giving the public some HTML instead of this watered-down simplicity.

Burial is like an inexhaustible fountain of mediocrity blown into our faces. You limeys with your ineffaceably stamp of mystical "caviar to the general" suddenly turn all pious when the latest flavor-of-the-day act comes down the pike of suck. And you NEVER learn.

Yes, write a review, ass-kiss its soul, fill my head with all your limeys-speak of the beautiful and sublime but in the end you'll see that Burial album is like the Boston Art Museum: a short amusement for exquisite fools.

Its UK Garage Kristy, maybe you just can't get it?

Now and then. we have to have electronic stuff to place our faith in, or we end up hairy, holding guitars and unfortunatly boring..

"Get it"? Oh, how bohemian! Now I have to "get" sequencer-driven, technical-executed technical music being pressed into fashion all because it has the label "UK Garage"! Well, I'll run right out and "get" fucked in Virgina by a disinterested and suffering man who collects jars of whale oil.

I will write no love letter to the whole "UK Garage" movement (because that's what you limeys do, you like to call things movements to impress your readers in order to make yourselves look cool. god damn your electronic faith. Please, before its too late, dig up Marc Bolan, augur out some of his bone and clone his DNA and save what's left of your limey present day.

I have never followed the phraseology of music fashion simply because it has a label and Playlouder should hang their heads in shame for hitching on to such a virtue.

i like marc bolan - and if you are here you are playlouder

No, I am a "messenger" I have no limey brethren. I walk this cold, dark earth alone slightly on the abstract side. Just me and my T Rex CDs.

you like cds? i just download the vinyl these days

I like CD's over mutual funds. There is no way I'm going to remain an indolent placid marble lake when I see such praise being written for such shit. There is a circle of beauty to everything in life and Burial makes no effort to be that inclusive to its audience. That album is like death was reverend. Perhaps Mr. Doran should lay off the wearing of sweaters, and the sipping of cappuccinos before sitting his appointed as down in front of Micro$oft Word and see the simple in the perplexity, the apparent in the difficulty among other daylight realities.

I'm a tea-sipping freak

Dunno about Burial but doubt the record's as good as "Electric Warrior" by T-Rex, agree that far

Yeah, 'Electric Warrior' is like pulling an Idaho potato from concrete. A truly "rooted" album. 'Burial' will never have such veritably no matter how you spin it.

Depends if you understand what goes into Burial and where that sound has come and evolved from. It's roots to someone like me, and it's future go way back to the 70's if you are to understand the 'movement' of UK garage at all, you must look at Jamaicans and English pop artists meeting face to face and sound to sound. It's just the name we use for playfully dubbed music that grows in (generally) urban places.

kristy, it's not about one being better than the other. it's just that it exists. and if it didn't everyone would be into t-rex. that wouldn't make you much of a rebel now would it?

rabbit fighter is a great track

Better? 'Electric Warrior' is empirical! Listening to Bolan is like having a splendid dream, filling the ear with the strange of shifting, vaporous succession of fantastic images* Burial is directed to the feudal mudane moron who doesn't know any better.

*especially while on Vicodin.

karborn: borrow some bolan from an anonymous friend and subtly alter your brain chemicals before listening, eyes closed in the dark

it's got the whole of the 20th century in it

"Girl, I'm just a Jeepster for your love..."

No idea what it means but then again, I read books on ancient mariners and don't know what in the hell they are on about, either.

I will give bolan a shot. ok. so long as i dont have to use tacky vicodin, ill get a real substance in to play music with.

Burial is pleasingly straight forward music. it's not for morons. quite the opposite. we dont need everything from an album, just something. What it does, it does beautifully and hauntingly.

that cannot be denied. however great bolan may be

I thought she was a troll but it it's her indeed. Unable to make any sense whatsoever but a snappy line in insults and being boring and old years before her time. xx

Plus, this music, like all music, goes all the way back.

I mean, the roots of dub go back at least as far as the 50s. Put that in your code brackets and smoke it.

Oh, and by the way, fuck milk in coffee. I have the largest BLACK coffee (not Americano) and I have an extra three espressos in it. And five sugars. It keeps me righteous and angry and right.

I'm off out to watch Jesu and Mono now. Two other bands you are too ignorant to like or understand. When I get back it would be useful if you could have raised a few points against Burial in coherent English.

Coherent English = menospeaklimey

Me old and boring years before me time?!?!? Your replies come off like the grumpy old (white) man on the porch. Goes to show ya it's always the criticizer who cannot tolerate being criticized.

I'm sorry, John. Spank me with an extinct megatherium and make me say your name.

Ah man. I was just over in the USA for a fortnight recently. I would have loved to have indulged in a spot of light S and M with you Kristy my old chum.

I'll say it again, in bullet points and if you like you can get back to them.

1. This is genuinely new music. New textures, new compositions, new sound, new colour. This is something to be praised. When it is years since we have had the fastest, the quietest, the loudest etc the shock of the new, the impact of real modernity is thrilling and should be celebrated.

2. I also hate the idea of music being academic and dry but at the same time, the poster above is right about UK urban dance music. There are certain tropes, traditions, tones, texture, beats, production techniques that come from a black/white/asian UK background of the last ten years and much, much longer black Jamaican tradition.

3. On top of this, though we have the thoroughly thrilling spectacle of "black" culture (I will bet any money that Burial is white but this is not the point) borrowing from "white" musical culture in the fact that this has definitely been influence by very avant garde electronica. It doesn't happen very often but when it does it's usually quite cataclysmic. Kraftwerk and the birth of pretty much all "black" electronic music.

4. Vicodin. Interesting. When I realised how fucking brilliant this record was for the first time I was lying in a boiling hot bath, brain fizzing gently away on psuedo-ephedrine. Again, we're less different than you think. I definitely realised that it was a great record straight though.

5. I like T Rex/Bolan. You can't compare the two. It's not so much chalk and cheese as chalk and a space shuttle made out of frozen bulls blood.

6. Paul has you over a barrel here. You're the critic on the new Playlouder. Just as much as I am. Your antagonistic stance won't wash any more. If you want to just name call be my guest but personally I'd rather you explained (in a way I can understand and taking on board the concepts of opinion and fact) what you find wrong with it and what similar (i.e. post club, dance related) music is better. For example.

"Extinct megatherium". Are you suggesting there are any other kind?

What was your opinion on Lou Reed Kristy? I can't remember whether it was positive or negative. Depending on which I may have a funny story to tell you.

Just one "bullet" would suffice, John. So I'll answer you first point due to my lack of attentiveness.

Of course this place is about "new music" after all, you are a website with a product to sell. As for your purported myths that: :"the impact of real modernity is thrilling and should be celebrated." All the rest is just meaningless adjectives.

Well, I'm all for that as long as you have something to be praised in the first place. Besides, what in the fuck is "real modernity" anyway? Having a MySpace page with 4,000,000 electronic friends who just happen to be the same 4,000,000 electronic friends for some other band that sounds just like you? That's not modernity, that's a fucking travesty.

Said this once and I'll say it again: there are too many bands out there with absolutely nothing to say. Burial is no different. The same attitude, the same stance, the same boring-esque lyrics, the same dress, the same. And worse, their gigs absolutely suck (and that's a story in itself).

And places like this (but you're nowhere near as bad a Pitchfork) hype this shit for a overnight buck. I've seen it happen on here band after band that appears (by writing alone) to be so fucking "brilliant" today is soon forgotten about 6 months later. Come the summer of 2008, no one is going to give a fuck about Burial.

I had no idea you were this sensitive, John but I'm no critic here. I don't even remotely qualify. Paul is obviously on drugs.

As for Loopy Lou, I always thought his early to mid-80's work was his best - from a songwriting standpoint.

Burial don't have any lyrics. They 'sweet' vocal samples distorted so that you can't tell what's being said, contrasted with 'bitter' electronica. It is modern as in modern art. It's all about the context.

There is no hype about Burial. He has no press officer, he doesn't give interviews or release photos of himself and none of the bigger magazines talk about him. He is an old fashioned, word of mouth success.

Just your hype, John.

Well, you know, I just call it how I see it. I'm not into hype. If I was I'd have loads of writing jobs that paid lots of money. I'd be writing for the NME or Kerrang! We've been down this particular cul-de-sac before.

I think it's wise to be mistrustful of any kind of consensus. But refusing to believe that anything that people rave about can be any good is the polar opposite. It's a bathwater/baby mishap.

Doesn't sound very empirical to me, Kristy, but then maybe that's the Vicodin talking.

we should try to speed up our deal with ioda and actually get the music in here so people can listen while they foam at the mouth

I'll have a crack at the music import script soon

john, i know the dub sounds in jamaica are ancient. im talking about what happened in london, what i consider our sound to be is a meeting in the 70s of the black musicians with their dubbing and bass, and young guys here playing with synths, the two went hand in hand, the heavy and the lighter and we slowly moved towards jungle and garage and other kinds of urban music. i think...

i enjoyed the s n m talk

Yeah, ok. It's closest relative is the electronic processed music of digi-dub, On-U, Dub Syndicate, African Headcharge of the 80s etc.

judy nylon's on-u release with crucial is one of my favourite albums ever

pal judy

I don't know that. I'm partial to Time Boom X De Devil by Dub Syndicate and Lee Perry myself.

hehe, yay. lee scratch perry! he is the forever touring zombie of reggae.

he is abit like the voodoo keith richards of reggae i recon.

"judy nylon's on-u release with crucial is one of my favourite albums ever"

umm - more detail please paul - i have a fair old chunk of On-U and this particular team up, i have no idea of.
oh, and Time Boom is totally essential. one of the most solid full lengths ON-U ever sorted out, and the rumour is that Adrian is working with Lee again as he believes he will be able to get one last classic out of Lee.
as ever in the world of On-U patience is a serious vitue.

burial = an underground superstar with proper credibility and a sound of his own! blah!

Eh?

For fuck's sake; dub step has been going for six or seven years now without the consent of anyone, let alone hype making journos and magazines. Again, his first and second albums are self released on a small imprint he runs with Kode 9. They get a little bit of distribution help from Cargo which is hardly EMI. He has pointed to the whole question of credibility and said it doesn't matter by refusing to do any face to face press or reveal anything about his personal life. This is astounding stuff. It is the idea of rave as the crowd is the star taken to its logical conclusion. He does have a sound of his own - what's wrong with celbrating that fact? You ninny.

Just slap the label "underground" to anything these days & times and PRESTO! you're a god damn musical-listening genius! "Underground dub", "underground punk", "underground oyster philosopher" The fuck with all this media subjectivism and personal idealism interchange.

Predicate it to death all you want, John. Burial is shit.

When i pass on, i'd like to be predicated-to-death.

and cremated, seeing as how burial is shit, and all

Oh, you're soooooo funny!

as are you, kristy. as are you

What's the betting that you're an emo kid?

He's got a bit of a suspect fringe, it must be said Kirsty

john, i was agreeing. blah was being used as an exclamation of that! not that it was untrue. i know his relationship with kode9 and hyperdub and those hands. im very keen on that sound and especially the dubstep stuff :) not the opposite... indeed.

kristy, we dont have a photograph, why dont you put up a lovely profile picture?

Jeres has seen me. Enough said.

is that the real reason Jeres left?

which kind of jeres did you see?

the sober one, or the drunk one?

there's a sober one now?

or was it just a photo :(

yep, cause his wrist is broken, he MUST be sober, he cant hold the drink can he

(forget the other hand, he is a religious man is he not?)

Jeres left?

yep :(

still writes sometimes though

He was a bit of a killjoy anyway.

quite the opposite, he drank the joy up before any of it hit the floor

then exposed it into a new and outragous beast of a creature

hehe

Oh that's right, he's in a (limey) "band" isn't he? Must be playing gigs in local parking lots. However, I did get a FREE Donovan CD from him! DONOVAN! Exactly how cool was that!?

we dont have parking lots

we do have pubs!

'car parks' in limey-ese, kristy

Right, parking lots and the Dairy Queens they share have no place in the whole Rule Britannia! lexicon.

what's a dairy queen?

A limey in drag.

haha

see, you are funny!

in my high school, a Dairy Queen was a girl with big tits.

i like donovan too

which album was it kristy?

Right now, as the narcotics start to kick in I was to shift from the subject of 'Burial' to that of pointing. I see this phenomenon happen all the time. People pointing at...things. It's like an attitude and response of the organism in perception and then reflection of this in one's inner consciousness.

I like the term "conceptual pointing" myself. More frames of reference as if you can reach out (by pointing) of objects through an internal substitute which are supposed to reveal the nature of the external object itself.

For example: 2 people at the local CD store and one notices the 'Burial' CD in the bin and points at it and says: "My is that the Burial CD?" while the other with stress of cognitive relation of the other's internal reference in mind and replies, "No, that's a pile of shit!"

Deep.

The new playlouder's getting somewhere. I'm relieved and invigorated. I shall write more reviews. If only to upset Kristy. I am not, and never will be, by the way, the sort of person who writes about something because it's obscure. That's a straw man too far. This month I've been writing about Lou Reed, Sons and Daughters, Kylie, High On Fire, Butthole Surfers, Nine Inch Nails, etc etc None of these are obscure, cooler than thou bands.

It was his "Greatest Hits!" I still have the Playlouder t-shirt but ended up costing me too much to get it framed.

I think the pop star publicity photo point needs deconstructing. A gift from a flower to a garden is a very nice donovan album

hey - i can play it!

Yeah, Donovan. A.K.A. I showed Dylan a thing or two.

I'm in the middle of selling eight Donovan albums at the moment if anyone wants to make me a sensible offer.

or 20 mins before nicecast adds noise

vinyl?

CD. Sorry.

John, write about whatever you want. You're a good writer but don't be so fucking sensitive when other don't agree with your analogies.

cd's are worthless :(

id like burial on vinyl though!

donovan playing here http://icecast.playlouder.com:8000/paul.sanders.m3u

even if it was just to annoy kristy

hopefully

then i could post her some

don't be mean

sorry paul, im listening to the wu

posting vinyl is nice

not mean

Dead link.

bit like the wu, they are nice and mean. im not sure what to make of this new album. im thinking i really like it

is should be an audio stream

it should

kristy, are you on windows or mac?

Windows - an integration with an unnatural object.

(im so pleased there is a live chat going on)

ok, so open windows media player

it's only a donovan album - not worth hassling about really

copy the link and hit file open, paste the url into the box thing and should play

it is

That doesn't work, either.

boosh, short of winamp i dont know.

but if your floating, less effort the better

we seem to have got sidetracked

Okay, it's works now. 128kps!? A pitiful candle light in the dark and boundless seas of being.

i can up the bitrate

192! oh

ok that should be 192

we made it so everyone could broadcast

Great! I'm diggin this. Donovan, Vicodin, Doran's obscurantism and a non-rational process. Life is sweet - for now.

do you really hate the burial album

You should all check out the reissue of 'Piouhgd' by The Butthole Surfers on Rough Trade/Cargo, their cover version of Donovan's Hurdy Gurdy Man sounds much better than it did 18 years ago and it has the amazing Revolution 1 and 2 on it as well as the monumental Sonic Youth tribute PSY.

CDs are no good. This much is true. But I'd have to live outdoors if all the music I owned were on vinyl.

hehe, why? you could have a vinyl house john!

you could be like mike read and build a special shed for it

oh yes the baby one

"CD's are no good"? That's hippy talk. Fucking Neil Young's trendy bandwagonning rationalism. And I don't hate that 'Burial' album - it's just not for me. Sequencer-driven social science music. Too electronic.

where do you stand on cat stevens?

i reckon with cds i might just as well download

exactly

the value of a cd as it once was

is gone.

sorry if any one's listening but i have to go home

I don't get dubstep.

goncalo, try listening to 'Distance' http://www.myspace.com/djdistancedub

he produces great soundscape with dubstep tempos

and digital mystikz - for a more reggae duppy bounce UK dub quality - http://www.myspace.com/malamystikz

I'm gonna listen to Burial tomorrow and try and offer an honest opinion without comparing it to stuff it's nothing like. I guess that's my problem - I see the words "dubstep" and think, "oh no. something new. I gave up on new at least 12 months ago and a lot of the adjectives in this thread I don't understand".

right now I'm too drunk on Cointreau to be of any use.

lost, between burial and kode9, you will get a pretty good spectrum. the label 'dubstep' comes from a magazine in NY called XLR8R. ignore the names, try the sounds :)

A ny mag, labeling a distinctly UK sound... weird enough anyway.

grimetorrent.com - for the kode9 album, excellent.

karborn, i did try some tracks months ago when i started hearing about it...but... it's just boring after a while... I could never listen to a whole album and abou the mystikz i don't really like reaggae at all

goncalo, if its not your cup of tea. then thats the way it is I guess. but if your not keen on reggae that's not going to help. always interesting to hear what is new though.